You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. Posts: 28 From: Planet Earth Registered: Jan 2014: posted January 23, 2014 08:42 PM Hi, . This compo Pisces Lilith in house 12 falls on the exact degree of my natal Waldemath H58 , and she also falls on his natal antivertex. It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. Yes There is a higher purpose to these relationships. You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. Once a relationship kicks in (moves beyond the initial stages), the composite Sun becomes more apparent. It symbolizes pealing back the layers to reveal the authentic self underneath. Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. Chiron In 12th House Man, Chiron In 12th House Male. Composite Venus In 12th House With Composite Venus in the 12th house, you may find it difficult to express affection and love for one another. how this would manifest? We have Sun,mercury,venus and jupiter in 12th house virgo. ? This last chance element, sadly, often leads us to relationships that are destined to exist only to fix this thingwhen the lesson is learned, both these people move on. The Moon/Mars (Virgo) sextiles a close Sun/Jupiter (Cancer) conjunction in the 10th, sextiles Uranus (Scorpio) in the 2nd, trines Ceres (Capricorn) in the 4th, and squares Neptune (Sagittarius) in the 3rd all very close aspects. I am NOT usually like this. This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. we have stellium-sun, venus, mercury in 12th house-composit chart(aries), mars in 11th house, moon in 6th, uran retrograde and pluto retrograte in 5th, jupiter retrograde and neptun retrograde in 7th house, south node conjuct regulus in 4th hause, vertex conjuct DC, saturn in 1th house. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. Like individuals with 12th house planets, couples with a lot of twelfth house may feel that there is something fated about their lives together. And yes, you need to put the natal charts around the composite to see how this is going to affect the individuals. The Autumn Schedule is Here! I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. Could I ask Your opinion? this is honestly so beautiful to read. Most of my relationships are like that . I found so many answers and maybe some dissapointments as well :/. clearly the 1st has the most planets, but you said the sun was the essence of the chart,its in scorpio in the 12 house. The south node lies there on the natal composite. That was over three years ago. And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. Ultimately, both the 12th house and Neptune want us to get our egos out of the way. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. I don know what to do. we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. My 12 is in Leo, along with my Sun, Mercury, Mars and Pluto. Chiron in 12th House . Sun conj. Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. My first sister has Chiron in the 12th house of gemini, and she was 'born dead' due to suffocation from inhaling meconium. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. Just a knowing if you will. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. venus+mars, etc. I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. Now we hate each other and nothing made sense. It isnt that theyre unhappyno, they seem to go more the extreme of bliss altering with despair. Comparing composites to the biwheel between two charts is impossible, like comparing apples and oranges. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. We also have 3 composite planets and an asteroid in house 8. I have chiron in the 7th house Gemini natally. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. etc. What should i do? Thank you for this piece it is prompting reflection. We communicated telepathically and still do. Is there nothing better to hope for? Forget about where his planets fall in your houses and instead, put your natal chart around the chart of the composite, then do the same with his. We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. hi dawn:) thanks Dawn for your reply. Anything different there? By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. Here we are, older, everything so different now, lessons learned, and I am seeing that I cant undo the past. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. My husband and I have composite sun conjunct Saturn in the 12th, composite moon conjunct Venus in the 1st. Im glad youre enjoying it. Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to. An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? This placement borders more on a feeling of universal consciousness. I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. Thanks Dawn! Don't focus on the superficial parts of the relationship too much. Here are some basic info for the signs in the 12th house: Composite 12th in Aries= Karmic issues with anger. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! scares me a bit. As Jeff Buckley puts it, hes a tear that hangs inside my soul forever. This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. Such a great article! Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! Mars also squares Mercury, Venus, Pluto and Saturn. It doesnt matter. Greetings. Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. The doctors were able to revive her, but she suffered irreparable brain damage as a result. Im from a country in southamerica. Pisces is the mutable water sign overseeing the 12th house. . PS.. hes the very first guy I ever met who knew and talked about astrology! We dont really grasp whats in the 12th until we spiritualize it, remove the ego from the planets function. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. Chiron in Taurus 12 th House. RUN ? But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. We both have natal moon in house 12. When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. Planets in the 12th are considered to be undevelopd or lacking something in terms of karma. I dont quite know what it all means but I like what you wrote here and will keep it in mind for future reference: [Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. Something is whispering in their ears. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. I can honestly say that I love this man from the highest level of my being, but I dont feel we belong together in a committed relationship. We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. We find with the Clinton composite chart (see chart at the top of the next page) that the planet Chiron conjunct Venus in the 3rd house, which semi-sextiles . There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? Learn how your comment data is processed. i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. Was our purpose to heal each other? It also works the other way. Topic: Composite Chart: Moon and Chiron in the Seventh House: Solar_Leo_Queen Knowflake . Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. or is it irrelevant ? This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? What is it that makes it work? 4 months passed since then. What do You think about Davison Chart? Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? I was heart broken all over again. Saturn in 6th or 12th house in composite chart: This is a strong healing or service oriented relationship and you will work hard together for those purposes. Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. The composite chart with the man Im involved with has an extremely tight Moon/Mars conjunction in the 12th, along with the North Node. Its weird weird weird . With the composite 12th house in Aries, it may be difficult at times for you to take initiative together when needed, and instead that kicks in when youre moving together subconsciously. Covered Here: The Composite 12th House in the Signs Composite Planets in the 12th House Transit Planets in the Composite 12th House His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. Another spin given to the 12th house . Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! . It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldnt have done. IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? What is the best approach? Id appreciate any information. Transit Moon in the Composite 6th House. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. If a commitment to each other happens, the seventh and eighth houses come more clearly into focus. 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another. Men with Chiron in the 12th House have a solid physical and mental constitution. Judy, Im sorry about your relationship with your daughter. Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. I apologize for the mistakes, Im French and sometimes it is difficult to express in English . We also have composite Juno in Aquarius in the 4th house (opposing Mercury in the 10th and trining the Ascendant), and Venus tightly conjunct Saturn in the 11th (Leo). thanks Dawn! The various areas of your life where there might be certain effects cannot be pinpointed as this stage is a little bit vague. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? Our lives are silly and sublime at once. Moon and Mars both Trine Uranus. Chiron in the 12th house is the last position. You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves for various reasons, not feeling comfortable telling them. I am sufficiently haunted. In composite we have north node in 12th. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. You dont want houses 6/8/12 in a composite for a reason= yes its really not good but the other reason this isn't good is because you have The Sun, Moon and Venus squaring neptune (AND neptune in the 12th house) so there is a VERY high level of delusion like "THIS IS MY SOULMATE" when in fact its your worst enemy who will betray/cheat/manipulate Twelfth house composites can work very well if the people involved understand that they must work together and make a contribution of some kind, even to simply show a good example of what a couple can be. . Yes its probably the case, but as it is unconscious, how could I manage it , or prevent myself from feeling this ? Hes Gemini sun . Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. Im a Pisces sun 7house. HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door. i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. AT ALL. What you said about compo Sun/Neptune is very interesting Please I would like to know Dawn,according to you it is important to notice what this compo Sun/Neptune conjuncts in each individual charts, to determine more precisely how each person is going to feed this confusing Sun /Neptune by his/her personal points .? The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. Transit Mercury in the Composite 12th House. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. Me and my friend have composite sun conj. We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? Sorry Shannon, Dawn passed away a couple of years ago. A heavily posited first house suggests a powerful and active relationship. Thank you for your answer. Also, I would think that the answer to your issues is not in the composite, but in your natal comparison. I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. Im not wanting to drag him to the floor yet. cheers:). Haunting Venus/Uranus is difficult in the composite, but it doesnt explain your obsession. Escapist activities such as drugs, drinking, watching television, and compulsions are often found here in the12th house. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. New Classes and Courses Beginning In September! We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. Its a damn shame, but I cant make him more a more spiritual person, just because our powerful connection together is deep and spiritual. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. Difficult to ground your energy. Illusions yes I know. Another spin given to the 12th house . Two sides of the same coin. Thank you for reading and I hope this story helps reveal more about the 12th house in composites. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. And it KILLS ME! Even the sexual draw of 8th house connections can be replaced by more of them down the road, or by the excitement of the 5th. I have met my match. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. You have nailed my experience. so we find the True in each other. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) The 12th house conjunction in Cancer indicates that there is a nurturing issue between you that needs resolving. Whether the energy between them manifests positively or negatively has to do with aspects to Pluto in both charts and aspects with the North Node rulers. Whatever I told you would not have a context. The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. This is my take on signs that have two rulersthere is a higher expression and a lower expression of the signs energy. Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). The 12th house is called the house of ends. Jul 28, 2011. Then we hurt each other. I need help! In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. But, our composite chart is weird. Subconciously I always looked at him for a few seconds like a magnet but did not put any thought to it. When transit Saturn is in the composite 12th house, you may feel that old issues or subconscious issues in the relationship become more of a problem, and need to be worked on, understood, and moved on from. The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. I dont know whether this situation is karma? Its impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. Sadly, our Moon is square to Uranus and I suspect this might be one influence behind her decision to break off all contact with me. We have had such a difficult relationship. To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. The 12th house really gives you an opportunity to see behind the veil in such a powerful and beautiful way, to understand not only our existence in this lifetime, but our collective reason and the inner workings of the universe itself and the karmic bonds that we have formed with soul family that have traveled this journey with us for many many lifetimes. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. I am very confused in everything in my life just because of him and the energies. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. I just am hesitating. Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. Thanks! Regine. You can have flashes of insight into subconscious topics, but they can also wreck a relationship. Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. I f these planets and points are emphasized in the synastry chart, chances are that you have dealt with each other before. This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. Lovely article. Im always attracted to those types of relationships We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. Mercury in the first is a good aspect to have because of the communication involved and the ability to think clearly regarding the relationship. When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. Thanks for taking the time to respond. It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. Transit Saturn in the Composite 12th House. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. We have our composite sun in 12th house, along with saturn. I need all the help to understand I can get. The composite Sun in the first suggests the couple has come together for strength. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. mercury and mercury conj. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. In order to respect this aspect, we need to have reverence for all the cycles of life, not just the upswing. Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. I cant stop the regretful feelings. along with Juno. P.S. Hi! Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. crone status for women. Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. 50 is also the average age of menopause and beginning of. I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. I dont know why im writing you this because uncounsciously know this relationship was all about love and let go. I am reasonably happy in my 3+ year marriage, and yet, I still miss my former boyfriend desperately sometimes. We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. What to make of this? I use both in my practice. We feel that very beautiful in our life! I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. Should I pay attention to that or to our individual charts? The 12th house is always complex and is different in how it manifests depending on the contacts involved. It feels that we are very free together than alone. chiron is opposed to uranus with the moon/mercury midpiont conjnuct uranus. Do you think that is true? Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj.

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