The project, it would turn out, had a profound effect on her. He is back in prison. I found out quickly IF I listed military service, early on for jobs, I did not get the job!Its only since 9/11, that I did start seeing 'Nam unit hats!When I see one or a bumper sticker & the vast majority seem to be genuine. Why bother to be a faker unless you are going to brag about it to people you meet? DURING THIS CENSUS COUNT, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,027. State Vietnam Veterans Vietnam Veterans (per 100k) Utah 42,774 1,272 How [] Posted by KRandle at 6:27 PM. 'Some are desperate. "I'd say, 'Well, I'm a Vietnam veteran,' and they'd say, 'but you seem so normal.' Burkett, Chronicle News Services, Associated Press photos, Unmasking Phony `Vietnam Vets' / Fakes big factor in negative image, Texas author finds, Dubs fans picking apart video of possible Poole-Draymond incident, Bay Area preschool teacher suspected of dumping body along road, Bay Area mom influencer found guilty of lying about kidnapping, More rain, 'unseasonably chilly' temperatures coming to Bay Area, 'Horrible': Oakland rapper dumps on Chase Center Warriors fans, Destructive landslide closes historic California institution, 49ers out in full force at Warriors-Kings Game 7, Sold-out Berkeley crowd gets rowdy at country star's concert, Shock, fear as 2 killings in 3 days rock quiet Davis. the giveaway as to their agenda because, as a Vietnam Vet I know that most of I've come across some folks that tell stories that are hard to believe.I was amazed to find a guy, walking in a wash at Arches NP that had a MWSG-17 unit cap, which floored me! An informal survey by United Press International of about a dozen VA facilities, veteran employment services and vet groups found that all had seen fake combat vets in the past year, most in rising numbers. There is no question that there are a large number of them including women who talk about their combat roles and even how they had been POWs. I must say I never ever thought anyone would falsely claim to have been in Vietnam. Now, extrapolate that across the nation, and imagine the millions of dollars that this runs into.. People younger than Whitley have, for the most part, only the faintest of clues when it comes to understanding the military, and they don't really care about it anyway. It's a touching tribute to all Vietnam veterans, their families and supporters.The Vietnam Memorial Wall arrived in Kernersville Thursday and will remain there until May 1.Those who got an up . fight over the statistics but there is too much information here. Someone says, Hey, Joe, youre of the age for Vietnam. Heres I did find a claim I've run into a half dozen in the last few years, that were to quick to tell stories of their heroics & actions.Too me IF one says they were a Seal, or a Green Beret, I push a bit. I was able to chase it to a survey paid for by the Fund for Vietnam Veterans so it wasnt just the census; a fine point I agree but the census did figure into the statistics.So we can continue this no we cant because Im not going to play anymore. A Department of Defense report suggested that the total number of service members serving during the war was 8,744,000 but this might have included Reserve and National Guard as well as active duty and it also includes the veterans who actually served in country.According to those same DoD figures, 3,403,000 were actually deployed into Southeast Asia, which includes some 700,000 who were not in Vietnam but stationed in Thailand, Guam and the deep water Navy. Other still claim to be combat vets as an explanation for emotional problems. That is the one common thread., In Burketts mind, most fakers do so because of low self-esteem. http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1395584&mpage=1&key=�. Burkett -- his parents nicknamed him Jug, in honor of a favorite golf pro -- has spent the past 13 years unmasking hundreds of men around the country who have claimed to be Vietnam veterans, Vietnam heroes, Vietnam- post-traumatic-stress-psychos, the guys you read about in the papers ("Viet Vet Kills 14 in Post Office Rampage") and see on the median strip of Van Ness Avenue, wearing signs over their tattered fatigues that proclaim, "Vietnam Vet -- Will Work for Food. Prompted by the support of the Vietnam Veterans of America, Weld recommended Yandle's release, and in October 1995, after 23 years behind bars, Yandle walked free. 'It tears you up inside to see this sort of thing.'. In some cases, too, these bogus ex-warriors are motivated by guilt - a gnawing feeling that they should have fought in America's longest war, psychologists and veteran counselors say. has said that for every real SEAL he identifies, there are a thousand who were After the show aired, several Iraq veterans wrote to the Guardian of Valor. During that same Census "I've got other things I want to do in life, and chasing down phony Vietnam vets is not the way I want to spend it. what I do know. "I lied about serving in Vietnam and I'm sorry," he told Globe magazine this year. I have found references that suggest the number came from the Veterans of This is well within the range of possibility. Marshal Hanson (and apparently quoted by every vet site as complete gospel), he provides the U.S. Census as the source, just like everybody else:www.veteranstoday.com/2009/02/26/vietnam-facts-vs-fiction/Had you read my post, you would have seen that I quoted this source, including its negative note at the end that was highlighted in yellow and typed in boldface. Type falsify military service into an online search engine window, and one yields tens of thousands of hits relating case after case in which someone has either exaggerated or completely fabricated their military service. I believe we can put all this behind us and return to UFOs, treasure hunting, and other areas of strangeness that interests us. Their personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age group by more than 18 percent. Im still around.. Same for number of active duty personnel during this period (in No. shows that much of what they print is politically driven. combat air patrols over Vietnam but all he had done was fly repaired or new Kevin, the only reason I waded into this whole Stolen Valor thing to begin with was because you used this Stolen Valor statistics as justification for dismissing most Roswell witnesses, who you said you previously believed. People want to be a certain kind of person they only wish they could be. They are NOT to be used for official government findings You know, you could get yourself a sword and say, Hey, Im home from starving in the Mideast with the Crusaders.. Disclosure of the facts contributed to his demise. Burkett candidly admits he's not a writer. You took part in one of the greatest assaults in U.S. military history?. If you look at the sites and read the information carefully, you will see, as I noted, that some of the information is from ACTUAL Census reports, some from the DoD and some from Beaton's survey.So, you can continue to beat the dead Census reports horse if you so desire, but I believe we (you and I) have corrected the information, we have supplied the links to the web sites and identified the source of the 13 million figure. claiming Vietnam service who were not there and that there are many claiming Very few served in Vietnam. The efforts of latter-day watch-dogs such as Sterner, Burkett, the Schantags, fake Navy SEALcatcher Steve Robinson and others have given military fakery the appearance of being a modern phenomenon, particularly during the Vietnam era. There are literally millions of them.You can reject, out of hand, the 13 million figure and the military web sites that use it, but I have traced it to its point of origin which was a survey conducted by The Vietnam Veterans Fund and by Captain Scott Beaton so that we have a good source on it. You can read about this here:http://www.war-stories.com/research-hanson-historical-reflections-2000.htmWhat this does demonstrate is that a minority of men and women who were in the military during the Vietnam era were actually deployed into the combat arena. the same that has been used at many of the sites that I visited. None were real. Thus the Census provides the total numbers of ALL people claiming to have been active duty veterans during Vietnam, but not the number claiming service in-country. Mr . Bureau of Economic Analysis, and many other Federal agencies and private The numbers cited are from various forums including the United States Census and given the way some of this was written on the sources I visited it was easy to confuse what number came from what source. These "Man, I was scared to death. 01 The Vietnam War lasted almost 20 years. He had seen the occasional stories about Yandle and, unlike others looking into the saga, he had obtained copies of Yandle's military records from the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis. "But, you know, maybe I'll do a book on all the heroes of Vietnam. The story was essentially done at that point, but I said, Sure. This is described as , Statistical Abstract of the United States. Starting on page 12 of this pdf in parts No. And, oh by the way, a Purple Heart and a few other honors earned. All this relentless research burbles up in Burkett's 692-page book, "Stolen Valor," which he wound up having to publish himself (Verity Press, at its Web site of www.stolenvalor.com) because, he says, all the mainstream publishers he approached were terrified of being sued. OUT OF FIVE WHO CLAIM TO BE Vietnam vets are not. (Yes, this is somewhat "They give me a blank look.". 'It was out of the high esteem that I hold for you that I took your honor as my own and in doing so did you a grave injustice.'. I had decided that I would The United States Vietnam War Commemoration is hosting a "welcome home" event in Washington DC. Without These are a There have been cases too, such as with Maughn, where once a vet gets a copy of his form, he doctors it to show combat service. As it turned out, my guy wasnt on the list. It lasted about three years. I still get shaky today just thinking about it," Yandle told Boston Globe columnist Mike Barnicle. 568 & 569 can be found some statistics on the number of soldiers serving in Vietnam year by year and total number of active duty personnel during the Vietnam era, just as found in other statistical surveys published by the Census Bureau. The source of this data is explained thusly: Data were estimated starting with veterans place of residence as of April 1, 1980, based on 1980 Census of Population data, extended to later years on the basis of estimates of veteran interstate migration, separations from the Armed Forces, and mortality; not directly comparable with earlier estimates previously published by the VA.So the number is only partially based on actual Census data from 1980 plus estimates of normal mortality, migration, etc. He has a weekly caseload of about two dozen real vets. identified about 1.7 million Vietnam Veterans still alive at the time of the The Vietnam War was the nation's longest and costliest conflict of the Cold War. There can be problems, however. There are no firm estimates on the number of fake combat vets. Burkett might be accused of hyperbole had he not spent the past 25 years uncovering military fakers, often working with authorities whove come to view him as the real authority. David Rudiak was right about That negative image was fresh in Burketts mind when he decided to help a friend in Dallas raise money for Vietnam veterans a quarter century ago. They shouldn't bother. William Weld, that Yandle was fit to be released. Robert Bateman, who teaches military history at West Point. I dont know what stopped me, but I heard myself saying the words, Too good to be true, and decided to call the Ranger headquarters at Fort Benning, Georgia. Now I see one every six weeks,' said Larry Slessler, head counselor at the Southern Oregon Veterans Outreach Center in Medford, Ore. He then says that from his personal experience, it is much more than this, hence the 1000 fakers for every 10,000 living Seals, or 10 million fake Seals. All others should not be accepted to have served either on land or at sea in Vietnam. Thats eight individuals in the Seattle area, in one bust, said Doug Sterner, a longtime private watchdog who now maintains the Military Times newspapers Hall of Valor database. What did you do?, I was in the Army, the voice replied. Back at the office, I started typing up my notes, shaking my head at times. Everybody else I know who said they served in Vietnam actually served there. 1991: Established that, in Vietnam Veterans, there does not appear to be a causal relation between homelessness and military service, including exposure to combat; . But the real truth is that nearly everyone was exposed to indirect fire, ground attacks at base camps, and other elements of combat based on the nature of the war. I think I have finally unraveled the great Vietnam Veteran impostors statistics. This has become pointless and I just dont any more time to devote to it. figures).. David, David, David I tried to end this diplomatically but you just cant let it go. People are impressed. A total of 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam era, with over 2,709,000 Americans serving in Vietnam, about 9.7% of the generation.Vietnam Veterans by State 2022. More than 8 million people served in uniform during Vietnam and those who are alive are typically in their 60s and 70s. Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups. Between March 1, 2008, and Feb. 25, 2009, the VA investigated 96 cases of "stolen valor" fraud, according to James O'Neill, assistant inspector general for investigations. Claims/Comments; Bill Williamson from Maitland, Florida arose the suspiciousness of a Red Cross Photographer who was assigned to Vietnam in 1967. Any number of personality flaws might drive someone to fabricate a military background, no matter what their station in life. Scott Beaton, Statistical Source. This Foreign Wars (VFW) magazine and from the Reserve Officers Association magazine which 02 Up to 2 million civilians died in the war. Nothing had changed, and I saw that the damned press and the public believes this bull--. I'm busy with the 'Convoy to the Wall' that will hopefully help vets put the war in the past,' said Castagna, member of VVA chapter 179. organizations., I think however, that the information is not drawn from the 1990 census and might be related to one that Vietnam Veterans represent the largest cohort of American Veterans in . VA experts says others fabricate stories to grab attention, or in an effort to get disability benefits for bogus combat injuries or fake post-war stress. Yep, that was my outfit, he said. His first stop was the U.S. Department of Labor, where an economist dredged up some figures showing that Vietnam veterans, as a group, had the lowest unemployment rate in the nation of any group listed in the department's tables. "I think Jug Burkett is doing something truly from the heart and something that is truly important," says Vietnam veteran James Webb, author of the Vietnam War novel "Fields of Fire" and a former secretary of the Navy. Regardless of what they thought of you before, theres suddenly more substance to you., The lie often starts modestly, Burkett said. And there he was, my false ranger, holding his shadow box of medals as he repeated his fake story. Another at a Veterans Day celebration couldn't identify where he had served other than up north somewhere and seemed unfamiliar with the tactics employed. During the war, more than 58,000 servicemen and women lost their lives. The Secrets and Lies of the Vietnam War, Exposed in One Epic Document. REALITY: Cooley's Army records indicated no Korean service - he did not even finish training until after the war ended. . Burkett, who at the time was verifying records for the Texas State Archives, discovered he could get military records by request. I asked the spokesman if he had a unit roster of some sort. I then told him what Id learned and asked, Did you lie to me?, In a voice that suddenly sounded creaky and 10 years older yet sort of childlike, as though fearing a reprimand he replied, slowly, Yes.. I did not look at those sites that required registration, a fee or Burkett was able to prove that Yandle had never been in combat. When I started noticing all the Vietnam Veteran hats I was perplexed. Between March 1, 2008, and Feb. 25, 2009, the VA investigated 96 cases of stolen valor fraud, according to James ONeill, assistant inspector general for investigations. Daubmanns tale of escape from the colonial hellhole prompted the German government to treat him as a national hero. He does claim an "FBI study" "a few years ago" estimated 300 fakers for every real living Seal. census and then to the 2000 census but did not explain this problem. REALITY: Johnson -- whose public mea culpa last November was too recent to be included in Burkett's book -- never served in Vietnam and never saw combat. In 2003, he addressed a rally in Bridgeport, where about 100 military. recorded by the census in 1990 and 2000. Of those who said they were in-country most appear to be fake. Scam artists will try anything, sad to say. He talks too much.'. b. 'My sense is that it has been steadily increasing over the past five years,' said Dr. Greg Andersen, assistant director of the VA hospital in Menlo, Park, Calif. 'They generally fall into two categories: Those who want to enhance the image of themselves, and those trying to prey off the public.'. 'I'm not going to get into that. It was Saturday night as the newspaper prepared my D-Day story for the Sunday edition. I called my alleged Ranger back, said I wanted to clear up the unit name and asked him twice to repeat it. In 2000, upon hearing that the Library of Congress had launched its Veterans History Project, Burkett asked administrators if they were verifying any of the vets records. I might have found, in those census figures somewhere, a report that suggested 12 a regular post. Report comments that violate these rules. In 2007 Xavier Alvarez, a member of the Three Valleys Water Board in Claremont, California, was asked during a visit to a neighboring board if he wanted to introduce himself. Last year, he dropped out of the state's gubernatorial race, admitting he never got closer to Vietnam than peacetime Korea. The Schantags discovered that 24 of those were false entries. Last year, he said, 12 Princeton seniors went into the service. Yandle said he was at the infamous 1968 siege at Khe Sanh, surrounded and attacked for 77 days. Once you start getting away with it, then I think you get more emboldened. I personally believe there are as many American males claiming military service falsely as there are living veterans in America, said B.G. I certainly haven't come across it personally. And you think, Oh, no ones ever going to catch me. One of the reasons, Burkett and others say, is that the "homeless vet" you see begging on the street may well be a fake, and he's spreading the widely publicized lie. I know that there are many Khe Sanh was one of the war's bloodiest battles -- hundreds of Marines were killed -- but the only killing Yandle was intimately familiar with was the June 1972 slaying of 65-year-old shopkeeper Joseph Reppucci in a Boston liquor store. Researching the book made her spend time, she said, "with the real citations -- learning about a man who received the Distinguished Service Cross at the cost of his life, and finding out that some phony had modeled his citation on that one.

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