Do not let anyone take away your free will choices.. Yes, there are those within Church structure that do not follow Church teaching. Bishop Richard Lennon, head of the Cleveland Catholic Diocese, has issued a decree to clergy and laity of the diocese that Holy Love Ministries of Lorain County is officially off limits. Using St. Joan of Arc as an example would be an arguing point if we were discussing Maureen Sweeney-Kyle, the supposed visionary, but were not talking about her. Your condescending mockery of what is helping others is not appreciated and does not smack of a graced response. This is putting his ecclesiatical power before the spread of the Gospel. I would love to, Ive been going thru a dry spell and I think this could be the very thing I need right now, I believe I have this book I just need to find it. I mention no names. i believe there were over a hundred clergy in non holy relationships for many yrs and overlooked by whom.??? Very interesting and impressive. I myself have visited a couple apparition sites that proved to be false. (3)the only thing that keeps a soul from holiness is free will. ~~. ps. When in the history of the Catholic Church has the Blessed Mother operated outside the Church? You assume you are free to mock that which many others treasure without dealing with the hurt and indignation you engender. Gracias Carlos! Obedience is how Christ won eternal life for us. I sat in the private chapel on the propertywhere the eucharist was kept (totally against what the church ordered by the way). I just needed to love my neighbor to be saved no matter concern for personal sin, let your (unformed) conscience be your guide, do what feels right I will pray for you too, Elizabeth, as well as for all those who doggedly insist on mocking and maligning HLM.. God bless you all and may you have a joyous and grace-filled Advent and wondrous Christmas. They lacked the faith and humility that Joan had. 8/30/93 from Jesus: The door to the soul is free will. If that isnt the Evil One at work, I dont know what is. I was Isaac in the story of Abraham and Isaac. I've visited this site with my family and have experienced many graces as a result. The Mother of God would have her true sons and daughters know the difference too. HLM gets out of jurisdiction of corrupt bishops by becoming ecumenical. The Church has spoken on Holy Love Ministries. Try Eucharistic adoration (its the same Eucharist everywhere), praying the Liturgy of the Hours, or spending a few minutes every morning in contemplation of Scripture. Moreover, the people at the site have not taken a vow of obedience to the Bishop, thus they are obliged to follow their conscience. But that does not prove an authentic apparition. 2021 Holy Love Messages "Each and every person that walks the face of the earth is My child and I am their Mother. Be VERY alert. I feel this person is a prime example of almost a brainwashing of sorts. Heavenly Guidance For Priests - Holy Love Messages; For The Church, All Nations, All Families, All Individuals - Consecration Of The Heart Of The World To The United Hearts Of The Most Holy Trinity In Union With The Immaculate Heart Of Mary; Holy Love Messages. HLM says it isnt a Catholic organization. You may enjoy this one: http://rcspiritualdirection.com/blog/. Thanks Kevin. The writings of HLM are totally reasonable. so-called apparitions at Bayside (Vernoica Leuken) never uses the word recently Pope Benedict XV1 applied pressure to the Bishops when he stated that no monies should be given to organizations not in line with Church teachings. I stand (sit) corrected! Those at Holy Love Ministries have openly rejected it. You have the document that proves condemnation. May we have the citation for that quote from St. Catherine of Siena please? Too often, if an alleged apparition is condemned people feel betrayed and give up on God and the Church. In high school, my father and I would go back and forth about the validity of HLM and every discussion was a circle. He who hears you hears Me.. If obedience acts to harm, Faith, the a Catholic has a duty not to obey his Superiors. Come, Lord Jesus! However, once the Church has condemned a site and declared it off limits to clergy and laity, its a different ball game. I have been at HOLY LOVE, about 18 times since 2009 and its another true gift from God. Scripture could not be more clear (Authenticity A Biblical Theology of Discernment by Thomas Dubay, S.M., Ignatius Press 1997). In other words, alleged messages are prized more highly than the truth of the Gospel, He who hears you hears Me and that it is through the Church we discern the spirits, not outside of it. You are missing the forest for the trees. The bigger the basket - the more fruit fits in it.". Thanks for your clear, straight-to-the-point comment. One would wonder which truth of the Catholic Faith bothers him.. Would you please cite the reference for your information on Mother Teresa? I took each of her message selections and showed her that each one was clearly in accord with Catholic doctrine, and I also suggested that she bring my explanations to an orthodox Catholic priest to get guidance from him. Thanks for this information. Yet it is allegedly teaching the deep theology of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. But now the line has been drawn. If he could, I am sure he would. It is very sad to see an article that is truly going to misdirect souls that could be saved. I am not one of the editors and have no such control over this conversation. Am also not responding to a number that shall go nameless! At Holy Love Ministries the faithful have an opportunity to learn the true Faith in all its fullness and richness. That I do not accept your derision of HLM? Whew! If I believed Bishop Lennon is a corrupt bishop I would have said so. According to the knowledge, competence, and prestige which they possess, they have the right and even at times the duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church and to make their opinion known to the rest of the Christian faithful, without prejudice to the integrity of faith and morals, with reverence toward their pastors, and attentive to common advantage and the dignity of persons. She means hold no grudges, do not withhold forgiveness no matter what someone does to you. I showed him Thomas email and explained my use of the word condemned. God can use all things for good. I am willing to bet neither can you. He issued his Decree in November of 2009. People are bound to obey Lennons directives. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. HLM is there for all those whose Faith has been thwarted, perverted and destroyed by the very poor catechesis the bishops of this country have perpetrated fore over 40 years. the bmv took me to the divine mercy devotion thanks to my wife and her dear mother and father-in law. I would suggest that you get a sound Catholic priest to help you sort things out. The problem, however, comes later when/if the predictions fail (like Conyers and so many others), the church disapproves of the messages and gatherings, the visionaries disregard the church, lawsuits come forth (like, again, Conyers, between Our Loving Mother whatever and Nancy Fowler), etc. Indeed, it is not about what looks good on the surface. The ministry has literally changed my life. if there is no sin and redemption we realize the evil one knowns we dont need a holy church or a ine world church where anything goes like in pagan roman and greek times past or are they ??? Holy Love Ministry Messages by Topic. Unfortunately, those have cultish devotion to things like HLM tend to brook no logic. Humble soul will hear the voice of God resounding in their hearts, whereas the proud will heap upon themselves blind guides who can only lead them into a pit. However, if seeing is believing then one needs to look inside their heart and reevaluate if they are a true Christian. Find me one misleading thing in any of her messages she has written that shows the Devil is trying to win over people and take them out and away from the church. There is no meaning here that we are to condone sin. And to add to that, Bishop Lennon hasnt warned ~ hes admonished. People these days dont know the difference between good and evil anymore. Elizabeth, Our Blessed Mother at HLM had every right to do what she did. It has not. Help me to be Your instrument in the world. Thomas Aquinas told them all on 11/17/09 (after Bishop Lennons Decree): The decree set forth by your bishop concerning participation in this Mission here was presented as though it carried with it the charge of blind obedience. Too often, after apparitions are condemned people feel betrayed and give up on God and the Church. St. Thomas insists that the virtue of obedience must be to the true Faith. I have been to the Holy Love site and love it and feel peace there. Thank you for the prayers. He was very obedient to his Bishop despite the fact that the local diocese really handled the whole situation poorly. he knows the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church so its easier for man not to go to church..or where the true spirit of god is calling us back to true worship. Rather than allow such disappointment to derail them, they can instead take a big step closer to God. That is exactly what it equals. Especially after the Bishop came out strongly with his condemnation, there were numerous messages both from the Blessed Mother AND Jesus explaining to us dear children that the Bishop is wrong and that we all must continue to come to this holy site and words to that effect. The stronger devils can even pronounce holy names such as Jesus and Mary and encourage devotions in order to later twist them to suit their purpose. It made me feel special, especially because I was at such an impressionable age. Madame, diddling means only to fool with if you are some how attributing masturbation to my use of the word, it tells me where your mind is. Does he speak out forcefully on life issues? **************************************, (11/18/12-BLESSED VIRGIN MARY) In March 1992, the Duluth Diocese investigated, and ultimately advised Catholics to stay away. 1) S/he doesnt believe that the Bishop actually has condemned the site, therefore. When has Jesus rejected His own authority that of the Catholic Church? Nor would there have been the initial miracles to report at Lourdes, France if people did not flock to the miraculous spring. Unfortunately, they do for that fakery-or demonic trickery- in a small Bosnian village). She asks for her loyal sons and daughters to pray the Rosary so that the sufferings of those in purgatory may be mitigated and that they may speedily be brought to Heaven. So, instead, the devil uses a Catholic facade to lure them in. At one point during the investigations, Bishop Melcher commanded Sister Adele to close the school and the Chapel, and bring him the keys to both. Apparently, the final authority of the Catholic Church agrees with Lennons position. I am a clear writermuch more so than many on this blog who have taken it upon themselves to malign something they give clear evidence of being afraid of and need to bash. Unlike Holy Love Ministries, he was faithful and obeyed. Repent and run to a merciful Savior. Were such seers themselves duped, and heard or saw messages that were really not from God? I did. One also needs to consider we can ot believe all the higher ups in the church anymorethe devil has infiltrated it. I was made to feel guilty, wrong and afraid for questioning him or HLM. Yes, saints obeyed their superiors by accepting punishment (whippings, imprisonment, etc) for the fact that they would NOT stop publicizing the Truth. I have an interesting story about another alleged apparition site: Conyers, GA I went to Conyers quite innocently; more or less a tag-a-long with my wife and her sister and mom. Does it not seem a bit odd that Jesus would be speaking about what he calls the Angel Chip, the dark chip, that Satan is preparing and in the near future, we all will have inserted under the skin, and Satan will then be able to control our minds by it. Catholic doctrine is Catholic doctrine. Go back to the synagogue of Satan you call Holy Love Ministries and leave the Catholic flock alone. I fear that many, enthralled by what they believe to be a miraculous site, will disregard the Church. It is 3221s responsibility to have the information handy. Thought you would like to know. Bishop Lennon issued an admonishment because he could not forbid Catholics from going to HLM. My point was that 3221 is throwing things out as fact, without confirming and verifying such. Just wait an you will see, No one is denying their right to follow their conscience. and was not very well in many ways. Read: sometimes it could do grave harm to someones reputation. Satans work! I asked why the Blessed Mother would be operating outside the Church. There is a whole doctrine of redemptive suffering that is the doctrine of the Catholic Church. Doctrine is doctrine no matter who is sharing it. The relevance of Merdjugorie to HLM is that the local bishop of Medjugorie DISAPPROVED of it as did Bishop Lennon of HLM. In the end, how is a person to discern what is true and what is not? Rather, it is sin that keeps a soul from holiness. Without a supernatural character, one does not have any reason to go to HLM. Yes she would, if that bishop loses his authority due to failure to uphold the true Faith. Let me tell you something else, Kevin. You would be an excellent addition. ************************************, (11/24/12-BLESSED VIRGIN MARY) In preventing the faithful from going there, he is thwarting the spread of the true Faith in an age where there are few places to get it. But I suspect that if the Bishop had used whatever wording this person thinks are proper for a condemnation, s/he still would refuse to obey him because. @3221: Here we have an example of a double standard. People have scoffed at places like Fatima and Lourdestoo in the first years.even Pope John Paul said we should be ecumenical.all people of God. Nor did the Vatican assume that Bishop Zanics discernment was correct simply because he was the local bishop. This is defiance on the part of the bishops against Christs Church. He would need there to be so in order to be freed up to CANONICALLY FORBID Catholics from going there. Lennon then cites the desire of the Holy See for Lennon to act definitively on this matter. what might be going on at all these apparition sites is being done as Amos the the prophet stated in ch 3 lines 7&8.. read read read. The treasure of Holy Love Ministries is that it is teaching the fullness of the Catholic Faith and the depth mystical theology that underpins it. Thank you for clarifying, Kevin. Ah! Bishop Richard Lennon, head of the Cleveland Catholic Diocese, has issued a decree to clergy and laity of the diocese that Holy Love Ministries of Lorain County is officially off limits. It did not make sense. And who would invent a message that the Blessed Mother would appear on a particular date and time? As it has always been, all people of all faiths are welcome to join us in prayer and the peace that Heaven offers at this site.. Does he advocate for women priests? If there is state it SPECIFICALLY, okay???? A young woman in 1858 received 3 visitations from Our Lady. This does not sound like a unified condemnation story, now does it? On the surface, everything about the site appears to be Catholic, but it is not. Joan of Arc was condemned by bishops who told her to renounce her visions. I am proving, however, that we should never say never . Again, Catholic obedience must always be to the Faith. Well, Ive gopt a question: Regarding the bishops we are supposed to obey: how many of them have concealed pedophile priests? And hope for the help of Our Blessed Mother And her son Jesus. Lest this get buried below, here is my response to 3221 re the condemnation of the Bayside events. . People have been going to this shrine since the early 1990s, drawn by founder Sweeney-Kyles claim that Jesus and the Blessed Virgin Mary and a host of saints are appearing to her with messages. It is fair to say, going through the motions to achieve the end so much desired on an official level, was the order of the day., None of this alters the Truth of this Mission. Joan of Arc told them all on 11/17/12: Much private revelation which is worthy and poignant to these harrowing times is being subdued by erroneous even rash judgments.Such is the case here in this Mission which I have come to defend., 3221 believes that Jesus told them all on 10/14/12: I have come to ask your total detachment from the opinions of others. Simply reading the endless so-called messages on their website, direct from the Blessed Virgin, Jesus, and a host of saints was enough to alert the little internal red flags. In the same way Lennons decision is not definitive either. Good Lord, you need to fall on your knees in front of the Blessed Sacrament in a church or chapel far away from that place and pray for His grace to extricate you from the snares of the devil. I without a doubt have prayed for the gift of discernment which comes from God and is not mans decision or judgement and he has undoubtedly given that gift to me. This was in the home on Broadview Rd. "Through the Divine Mercy of the Sacred Heart and the Holy Compassion of My Mother's Heart, I was able to courageously embrace the cross.". My life is stressful enough without stirring up such pots, I reasoned. And, thank you, denis. I lost my father to this place simply because the visionary and other devoted followers made him feel special and important. It is employed when the competent ecclesiastical authority decides a claim to be constat de non supernaturalitate (does not consist of the supernatural). But, it is good to dissect their techniques and arguments. One of my former theology professors at Notre Dame also endorses the messages. None, 3221, none at all. But only time will tell, and we will know the Truth some day, maybe in heaven if we are determined by our life and prayers and faithfulness to the Church to go there. we have known about holy love since the 80s and we believe in those apparitions. The Bishop of Cleveland says otherwise by the fact of his document and he claims to have the backing of the Holy See. I pray the Lord (and the Blessed Virgin) remove the scales from their eyes before its too late. You all will just exclude yourselves from the Truth. Heck, I didnt even say the rosary with all the other thousands gathered ther. Jesus told us that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church and he promised to send the Paraclete to keep the Church free from error. This is a New Era in time, and it is all due to Holy Love. I will have these Rosary Beads Blessed by a Priest so they will be legitimate. After Thomas challenged my article, I wrote to Fr. Id not heard of it ~ Our Lady of Good Help ~ in Wisconsin. They pray and love God. Thanks be to God ~ the Most Holy Trinity and Mother Mary Most Holy! He was obedient even to death on the crossand where He is, there also will His servant be. You pointed out in your article, Patti, that Holy Love Ministries seems Catholic because the site has statues, rosaries, and Catholic prayers. In 2005 an article in The Plain Dealer newspaper of Cleveland, OH reported on this ministry: The ministry was formed around 1986, meeting in homes of followers or a few welcoming churches. Hang in there! Church laws is very precise.Words either mean something specific or they dont . As Catholics, we are to follow what they ask of us. Needless to say, he backed down.). All IRRELEVANT to the topic of a valid Bishop issuing a decree admonishing the faithful to stay away. I do not know what I said Harry. Then, of course, there is beautiful Joan of Arc who refused to disavow her voices when corrupt bishops commanded that she do so. This one is a little more sophisticated than HLMbut, it also didnt take long to find messages contradictory to what the Church believes and teaches. The answer to this problem for faithful Catholics is to obey their Bishop, stop going to Holy Love Ministries, and pray. Read all about it in The Rite The Making of a Modern Exorcist by Matt Baglio. We have two generations of ill-formed Catholicsdue to bishops who have failed Christ badlywho do not know the most fundamental teachings of their Faith,nor do they understand that the virtue of obedience is an obedience to defending the Faith, not the false obedience of unthinking compliance with bishops, especially when those bishops do not have the moral integrity which underpins any true discernment. Believe what you want, and let others believe what they want. This Page runs by volunteer MSHLs in order to spread the messages from the Heaven that given to a vi Holy Love Ministry | North Ridgeville OH Know your faith and follow yiur heart. Mother Teresa was in a diocese once where the bishop insisted that she and her sisters sit after receiving Holy Communion. So the issue is obedience to the Bishop. I do not speak for the sake of speaking but to instruct and guide., If you choose not to listen, the future does not bode well for your country or for you yourselves. He will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.. Stop judging it and mocking it with your prideful comments. The Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, always looks below the surface because all that glitters isnt gold and regardless of how many people visit or how many statues are erected or rosaries said, it does not constitute proof in the Churchs judgment. What in the world are YOU talking about? It is through this door every grace and virtue flows from the Heart of My holy Mother. Here are repeated two points we discussed above. You have every right even a duty to suggest caution, as you did in your article. (cf CCC 1464, 1468, 736, 1832, Galatians 5:22-23 Vulgate). No need to write in Spanish but if you want to practice its OK. :o) I have lived in the US for a long timecurrently I am in Argentina for a whileI was received in the Church in the UK so my general Catholic sense is a bit English which is good. oh yea, shes spent thousands of dollars flying up there and one of her friends said:why doesnt God pick me to be the visionary? what is the fruit of this ministry? The rcspiritualdirection site was founded by Dan Burke, who works for EWTN and is executive editor of National Catholic Register EWTN newspaper. He is not my Bishop. There are some seventy references to conscience in the Catechism and none of them affirm the primacy of the conscience, but repeatedly state that an authentic conscience is one that has been submitted to God, to the Gospel, and to the truth. When God told Adam and Eve not to eat the apple, dont eat the apple, even if just an apple. Any of the saints when they were ordered by their superiours to do something or not do it, they obeyed, obedience is a mark of holiness. The Catholics of this country, for long years now, have been denied the full and deep doctrine of the Mass,the sacraments, sin, grace and purgatory. They call evil good and good evil (cf Isaiah 5:20). This is not to be confused with graces originating from a supernatural occurrence (such as purported apparitions). It takes awhile to digest such a fraud. Proper procedures were disregarded And then Our Lady goes even further and warns them/scares them of bad things to come if they dont continue to come to Holy Love: If you choose not to listen, the future does not bode well for your country or for you yourselves., 3221 believes that St. My earliest memory is being on the site and looking at pictures of the sky taken on the property, trying to discover what clouds or images that could be miraculous. I once read that people bring their own holiness to these sites. 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WORDING IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT IN CANONMICAL DOCUMENTS. What happens if one day your Bishop told his diocesan priests that they are forbidden to celebrate mass from now on? How does one fight with that kind of delusion? I am wondering why HLM bothers you so much. I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. I think you are proving the point. Instead, it is us sinners who ask her to pray for us now and at the hour of our death.. Call it the Holy Spirit or my Guardian Angel, but I dont think this is a true Catholic organization. Dis you read yet my comments a little bit above from this entry regarding your examples of heresy at HLM? He cut out people who questioned or criticized Holy Love. You increase in holiness when your relationship with Me is such that you seek only to please Me. If there were something erroneous in the doctrine taught at HLM, Bishop Lennon would have stated it. I have asked repeatedly in the on line conversation, following your article, for others to give to me one line from the messagesjust one linethat contradicts the full teaching of the Catholic Faith. Those other bishops deserve our correction, for they undermine the authority of their brother bishop, who has spoken definitively. Insinuations have been made, and without one shred of proof. Kudos! Yes, the Church is made of sinners (of which I am one) and saints. I pray that one day his eyes will open, but no amount of logic will convince him of the truth. I wish to look at the facts of HLMs case in syllogistic fashion. After all, He is the one who founded the Church and gave it authority. He was sucked into this apparition site and ministry. Instead of spending money and time on sites of questionable authenticity, I realize now that the best way to act radically for Christ is to receive Him every day at Mass and then to live His gospel message. The primary sticking point of those who opposedeem falseHoly Love Ministries is, Mary would never lead the faithful to disobey legitimate ecclesiastical authoritynamely bishop Lennon, Bishop of the Cleveland Diocese. And they will produce great signs and wonders, so much so as to lead into error even the elect (if this could be). ~Mt 24:24. (3) I may never criticize any Superior under any circumstances. Therese of Lisieux ((Doctor of the Church) told her novices Pick up a pin and save a soul. 3) Therefore, Sweeney-Kyle must obey the decision of the competent ecclesiastical authorities (remember, both Lennon and the Holy See were involved in this matter). Do not come here because others approve or stay away because someone may disapprove. We have no affiliation with the Diocese of Cleveland. St. Thomas goes on to say we fail in obedience when we fall prey to imbalance in one of two ways: either by defectwhich is a refusal to obey a legitimate comm command, or by excess which is an obedience-no-matter-what. As a suggestion for you to decide for yourselves on? When a bishop does not uphold the true Faith, ac cording to Deitrich von Hildebrand, he loses his authority to represent the Church, and instead represents his own novelty. He continues to explain that those Catholic who oppose heretical bishops are the true members of the Church. And, when will it be out? Jesus Accepts His Cross. I do not know him. This is EXACTLY how Satan uses seemingly good things for his end. So my questions to all you believers of this Holy Love Ministrywhat happened to the miraculous spring of water that was claimed to be on said premise? When has anyone in our day heard a Priest condemn the sin of fornication from the pulpit? Finally, the Church has spoken authoritatively on Holy Love Ministries and its 83-acre site of Maranatha Spring and Shrine in Ohio. He pledged to obey a church directive to dissolve the corporation. Ive not heard anything about this. (Fr. The big argument against those who continue to attend HLM is that they are disobeying Bishop Lernnon.
